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A voice in the supermarket
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(1/30/04 7:44 am)
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A book on SRF
Ladies and Gentlemen,

A question on top of this section is What can we do to help SRF? Another question has be: What can be done to assist former SRF members and others?

Well, write a book about what has taken place.

I think it could work well if someone in California could make a historian at the UCLA interested in the subject. He or she should be given the SRF Walrus documents that are available, and the Kriyananda stuff, the books, and so on.

It looks like a very good subject for a book and a historian too.

The benefits: Letting truth out. (I could do it, but I might not be trusted . . . and so another must be found.) A non-involved writer is an asset. A professor writer too.

And then, of course, getting in touch with local newspapers could pay handsomely too in the promotion.

Good luck, whoever does it!

Edited by: A voice in the supermarket at: 2/3/04 8:24 am
ugizralrite
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(1/30/04 9:44 am)
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Re: A book on SRF
Touche on the ugidrizzl. The book idea is only a matter of time now. Eventually several books may arise out of this, not that any will be a best seller because we are a tiny bunch of "fools for God".

chela2020
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(1/31/04 6:53 am)
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Re: A book on SRF
I think it would be a good idea too. Some books are already in the process, like a history of SRF. Even the "Kriya, Finding the True Path," has a lot of SRF history in it. Be nice for someone to write the type of book you are talking about, though. When it comes down to it Voice, while you say no one would trust you, that isn't true, because there will always be some who will listen, some who won't, and would not matter if God came down to write it.

apsarasRLD
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(1/31/04 4:32 pm)
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Re: A book on SRF
Pfff. You mean the kind of incoherent gossip the New Times came out with? If SRF is meant to go bankrupt I'm sure the book won't be needed. And then after shedding off all their sophisticated smugness I hope they'll start up from scratch and keep it low-key this time.

A voice in the supermarket
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(2/1/04 5:28 am)
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Re: A book on SRF
Hi,

Not gossip, but the facts - that should help.

I for my part wrote: "I think it could work well if someone in California could make a historian at the UCLA interested in the subject [etc.]."

A thing a historian normally is good at, is to get across gossip - above it, I mean. But gossip and not-gossip interact. For example, when the LA Times writes articles about Ben Erskine and Yogananda's alleged fatherhood, the article is a fact. What it contains may be all rumours, but that the article was printed with such-and-such content is a fact. What the rumours derive from and point at could be interesting for a historian and others too. And so on.

This was to say that a historian is trained to avoid mere gossip, unless he or she finds it indicative of something, for example trends and such things. Therefore I suggested that one (someone) should try to interest a professional historian in a project like this, for the sake of letting truth come out among all the other sides of the "history" - the invented myths or whatever. It would be like getting the living cats get out from the thrash and cans in the back alley, in som ways (but not all of them).

Viva such a project - it is in part like tending to a rose:

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COMPARE - Yogananda writes:

"We are usually born rich with smiles, youth, strength, beauty, health, mystic aspirations, and swelling, thrilling hopes. As we live and grow, we begin to lose those riches, and the roses in us begin to fade. . . . Are we to grow warm with riches and then suddenly be frozen by the chill of poverty? . . . Does our happiness come only in order to vanish?

No, . . . some roses, worm eaten encounter a premature ugly death. We want to bloom with good actions, . . . and to rest forever with the memories of those who appreciate us. We [and the possible book project] do not have to die devoured by poverty, sickness, or sorrow.

To guard our rose plant [SRF book project], we must attend to it properly with much digging, watering, feeding, and guarding it from pests and chill. The rose plant [book project] can grow only on the abundant fertile soil of our peace. It can never grow on hard, stony, unfeeling soil of human mentality. We have to constantly dig into peace with the spade of our good actions. We have to keep our [little] plant well watered with our spirit of love and service . . .

The real food for the [book project rose] tree can be supplied . . .

The worst pests which attack our plant of [the SRF White Book Project] are lack of the desire to progress, self-satisfaction, and skepticism. The chill of inertia, or lack of definite, constant effort to know the Truth, is the greater ill from which our happiness plant suffers.

We can never be happy until we keep progressing and seeking satisfaction in doing so, and guarding that [book project] from all the influences which destroy it."

East West, March, 1933 Vol. 5—5
www.geocities.com/Athens/...5-5.html#S



stermejo
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(2/1/04 11:48 am)
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Re: A book on SRF
I for my part wrote: "I think it could work well if someone in California could make a historian at the UCLA interested in the subject [etc.]."


I WELCOME the new voices on the board...and a chance for me to post again:-) Such a book sounds like a good idea. But WHY in the world would any academic historian want to write a book about the nonsense steaming from SRF?

These books aren't primarily written for altruistic motives. Academic historians publish works on subjects in which they have a lifelong interest. If you try to "make a historian interested" in some history unrelated to their field of interest, you're asking to be whisked off by campus security.

Best way to find an interested historian would be to look up works in a University library on histories of recent modern religious movements or cults. Especially, look for anyone who has written anything about SRF. Finding an interested academic psychologist might be easier.

Frankly, I don't think this field has settled down enough to be of any value to an academic historian. Usually, they wait until the smoke clears. It looks like MC is still buring.

divine gypsy
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(2/1/04 3:13 pm)
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I think a book could be great, but of course there are already books by plenty of people with definite points of view. An objective historian would be wonderful, but maybe a more likely possibility would be to try and convince someone at the LA Times to write an investigative piece. They tend to have much more credibility than the New Times yellow journalists. At least I think they covered the Master Plan debate fairly and certainly have several journalists familiar with the organization (some of whom even live on Mt. Washington, I believe).

Some suggestions for topics to address: what really is the state of SRF's financial situation? is there any documentation that Master expressed an intention that the BOD be composed only of monastics after his passing? what employment roles are only for member or only for nonmembers and is this legal? what discrepancies exist in compensation between men and women at SRF or between member and non-member employees? why can't SRF (like a reputable newspaper) allow REAL letters to the editor in the magazine? Why did so many monastics leave in the last few years?

premdas
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(2/3/04 1:15 am)
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Re: A book on SRF
Posters! Do you really want to help SRF? Perhaps understanding an insiders historical analysis of SRF's problems and actions will give a better perspective for positive discussion & action. Read my entry of an article on Walrus in HISTORY OF SRF, "Yogananda's Predictions for the Presidency of SRF". pub78.ezboard.com/fsrfwal...D=22.topic

Confusing the organization of SRF with the teachings & techniques of Kriya/Raja Yoga/Sanatam Dharma is a major institutional lapse that can be blamed on the leadership. The contractive & stifling behavior & environment of SRF has tarnished the mission Yogananda came to offer. The article referenced is only one of many witnessing behavior and actions unbecoming of those claiming adherance to the Yamas & Niyamas of Yoga.

For those of us who follow the path of Kriya with Yogananda as their guru or example: There are devotees/Kriyabans/truthseekers who joyfully & effectively represent & incorporate the best Yogananda offered, and the work is prospering.

"My body shall pass, but my work shall go on. My spirit shall live forever. Even when I am gone I will work with you all to deliver the world with the message of God. Prepare yourself for the glory of God; charge yourself with the flame -- the flame of spirit, the spirit of joy, and the glory of God shall be born within you!" PY

In service, Premdas

Edited by: premdas at: 2/3/04 11:29 am
A voice in the supermarket
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(2/3/04 6:47 am)
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Re: A book on SRF
Dear Premdas,

This is to let you know that the link you have given, fails because of the bracket at the rear of it.

Regards,

A voice in the supermarket
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(2/3/04 8:24 am)
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Re: A book on SRF
Dear Stermejo,
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Such a book sounds like a good idea. But WHY in the world would any academic historian want to write a book about the nonsense steaming from SRF?

Its entertainment value. And seeing it in a wider context (setting), and so on.
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Best way to find an interested historian would be to look up works in a University library on histories of recent modern religious movements or cults.

Good idea! It is also possible to form a Walrus board book committee (WBBC?) of - say - three to tackle this better. The committee may get in contact with those who are interested on the board, and/or have interesting ideas; there are very many angles of approach.

On strategy: Emailing historians at the UCLA is one thing, trying to find master students or doctorate students that could think about it, is another.

Thus, to Divine Gypsy:
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An objective historian would be wonderful, but maybe a more likely possibility would be to try and convince someone at the LA Times to write an investigative piece.

Getting in touch with newspaper journalists and others could be the great thing to get attention enough - yes.
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look for anyone who has written anything about SRF. Finding an interested academic psychologist might be easier.

Great idea. SRF and its teachings, especially of kriya, interfaces a lot with psychology.
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I don't think this field has settled down enough to be of any value to an academic historian. Usually, they wait until the smoke clears.

Well, some do that, and then others do action research and qualitative studies - and others operate more or less "in between" these two poles. So who knows?

This reminds me: Somebody in San Diego wrote a thesis on how satisfied SRF nuns were in their environment. I haven't read the thesis, I have only read parts. And the exodus of monastics mars the idyllic picture painted - yes?

This could eventually help: Pooling many different contributions on the Walrus Board, just as Divine Gypsy tells:
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Some suggestions for topics to address: what really is the state of SRF's financial situation? is there any documentation that Master expressed an intention that the BOD be composed only of monastics after his passing? what employment roles are only for member or only for nonmembers and is this legal? what discrepancies exist in compensation between men and women at SRF or between member and non-member employees? why can't SRF (like a reputable newspaper) allow REAL letters to the editor in the magazine? Why did so many monastics leave in the last few years?


Premdas, you write:
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insiders historical analysis of SRF's problems and actions will give a better perspective for positive discussion & action

I agree completely. You also write:
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The contractive & stifling behavior & environment of SRF has tarnished the mission Yogananda came to offer

It is a nice topic.

Now already there are many sane topics to assemble and arrange, and dig up evidence around. It is hard word. But very much can be found - at least in initial stages - on the Walrus Board. I think it IS possible to get along together in this, if there are some who would like to tend to a rose like this project.

Aloha

KS
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(2/26/04 8:41 pm)
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Re: A book on SRF
Consider that the Walrus site has been visited almost 900,000 times in the last two years(?) and you have a pretty widely published account of life inside SRF already. A book would most likely get less distribution. If the goal is to let people know what you have seen, your view of the truth, then I believe that is already happening.

God created the Internet for a reason. Everyday people can publish information for the whole world.

Of course the Walrus is just full of individual's stories and opinions and every experience may not be the same.